I don't think any author contemplated those two together, so it's going to boil down to what your GM thinks (with or without persuasion). Spellstrike on the same turn, BUT with the Still Spell feat: No Somatic Components, during Spell Combat Full Round Action Off Hand is still Free. For reference, Swift Refuge is a feat that suggests that the bonus weapon damage dice from Vital Strike are separate from "base damage dice": Once per day when using Swift Iron Style, when you’re hit by a weapon, unarmed attack, or natural weapon, you can treat all dice other than the weapon’s base damage dice (including extra dice from sneak attack, critical hit, magic special weapon abilities, and Vital Strike) as having rolled 1s. 1 Effect. Also, it's dice based (not flat bonus) and not multiplied by crit. You can wield your scimitar in two hands and still benefit from the Dex to Damage. I noticed I replied to a person and not the OP. Like if you cast Scorching Ray, your other hand is occupied. Vital Strike When you use the attack action, you can make one attack at your highest base attack bonus that deals additional damage. Spell Combat is all about Casting a Spell, and attacking with it + weapon, AND then attacking with all remaining iterative attacks. Spellstrike and Two-handed weapons.. Though I am not under the impression that Magus are strong to begin with. Benefit: As a standard action, you can make one attack at your highest base attack bonus that deals additional damage. Vital Strike is fixed in the default Turn Based mod settings (is a Standard action, as it should be). It doesn't mention Vital Strike or say something like "or similar effects" so I believe it would. You will most likely be using a weapon with 1d6 as the base damage at most so the feat will not really help your damage. Klasher Newbie. This is how people cheese a two-handed attack, by waiting until the Spell Combat full-round action is over before taking the free action attack granted by casting a spell. With the reach Fauchard and Cleaving Finish, you can literally 1 hit kill everything on half the screen when legendary sized. You also don't have to cast with Somatic components. Spell Strike is not just a word game or a spelling game, its a strategy- if you just randomly place words you will not win. Casting the spell and then Spellstriking, however, is perfectly fine to add Dex to damage with, and works well with a highly mobile one attack (Spellstrike = Spell + Weapon damage) magus concept. This affects only the weapon’s base damage dice. And thus you can Spell Combat with Dervish Dancer. Hello, I've been experimenting with a Vital strike build just for fun, to see if it could become viable (and because big chunks of dice rolled at once is FUN!). Spellstrike on a different turn (the following turn, for example): Off Hand is free. Your main hand is your weapon, and your off-hand is the spell. And if it turns out that this isn't allowed...then a whole bunch of people are breaking the rules, presumably in PFS as well. Removing that does make them a lot stronger. Don't ever use Spell Combat. Spellstrike Infusion is an item set that contains 2 pieces. Edit: 23.08.2019 Finally nabbed Graveyard of the Giants. making an attack action or making a full attack action. Cookies help us deliver our Services. https://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/prestige-classes/other-paizo/e-h/heritor-knight/. "When wielding a scimitar with one hand...". If the magus makes this attack in concert with spell combat, this melee attack takes all the penalties accrued by spell combat melee attacks. Obtained it in BFA (8.2.5) after 7 runs (got lucky compared to the Spellstrike Pants, which took ~50) on a lvl 120 tailor with maxed out Outland tailoring. Dervish Dance is the only way and it is painful for a Magus to not be Dex-based, because they have to wait until level 3 to even use their scimitars with Dex. DEX to Damage, yay! DEX to Damage, yay! Other things you do might conflict with Slashing Grace, such as using Spell Combat in the same round, or using a weapon two handed, or using an offhand weapon or a buckler, but Spell Combat itself does not. Spell Combat allows you to do two standard actions, or a full round action and a standard actions in the same turn. Improves spell critical strike rating by 26. Spellstrike is a different beast, and STR Magus..es (Magi?) So yeah, I Dervish Danced a Magus. Spellstrike on the same turn that you cast Shocking Grasp: Must use Spell Combat, must cast with Somatic Components, Off Hand is not free, no DEX to Damage, boo. All spells must be cast defensively when threatened which is a DC of 15+2xspell level. And while I accept the RAW on Spellstrike, I do not believe the RAI. Slashing Grace has an Errata I just learned about (I also just learned of the feat, along with Fencing Grace) which says the following: Flurry of blows, brawler’s flurry, two-weapon fighting, and spell combat all don’t work with Slashing Grace. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the Pathfinder_RPG community, For info, news, resources, and anything else about the Pathfinder TTRPG! It doesn't matter what spell, it could be mage armor, or ray of enfeeblement, or whatever. The one thing it does count as is making a full-attack, for the purpose of haste and other effects (per the FAQ). EDIT: Dervish Dance does NOT require your off hand to be free, ONLY that you do not have a WEAPON or SHIELD in your off hand. Spellcasting. If you combine it with another archetype that gets rid of spell combat id say go for it. 4 years ago. Weapon Finesse is, in fact, a feat tax. This affects only the weapon’s base damage dice, not additional damage from sneak attack, magical weapon properties, spellstrike, or critical hits. DD doesn't have the same restrictions as Slashing Grace. Vital Striker (Su) At 8th level, whenever the spellstriker uses their spellstrike ability as part of a spell cast as a standard action, they can treat the attack made using the ability is treated as an attack action, and may benefit from Vital Strike, as well as other feats and abilities that affect an attack action. Weapon Specialization and Power Attack are both fair game, for example. In addition, you cannot Vital Strike with spellstrike. Spell strike is done through regular AC, if you miss you hold the charge till you hit or cast another spell. [Does spell combat count as making a full attack action for the purpose of haste and other effects?. However, Vital Strike is a terrible idea for a magus even more than usual. I've recently tried it and it didn't seem to work as it should work, (the character looked as if he cast the spell then made the touch attack instead of swinging the sword and the spell connecting through the sword.) Failing this (which maguses rarely do) means you lose the spell and nothing more. Edit: And sorry, for some reason I was mixing up burning hands with a ranged touch attack. Spellstrike When this spell is cast at a target creature, it will dispel all of the magical protections that surround that creature. You can strike your foes with incredible force. Spellstrike is the act of delivering a spell with a range of touch through your weapon. Contents. You still need the other hand free to provide somatic components. It seems difficult for me to have Regongar use Spell Combat. (As per the FAQ and updated feat text.). I’m only going Kensai for the maximize damage and int to ac. Equip: Improves spell critical strike rating by 24. You can already do charging with spellstrike, but what you can't do is cast a spell and charge at the same time. This has nothing do do with the act of casting a spell aside from the requirement that the spell delivered must be a Magus spell that you cast. Another Edit: I hear Vital Strike has been fixed in vanilla also. Thread Starter. With spellstrike to deliver pool strike it leaves the C permanently limited to one attack per round. Those actions are a.) Now your off-hand is empty. Equip: Increases damage and healing done by magical spells and effects by up to 46. With that said, if the spell is a weapon attack, then you could use Vital Strike while making attacks with your spell, like using a Holy Ice Weapon, which creates a weapon made out out magic, or a Dimensional Blade, which turns a weapon into a magical object that can be used as a weapon. Those actions are a.) The reason is if you have something that only works with a standard action, it won't work with Spell Combat, even though you might be doing something as part of Spell Combat that would normally be a standard action. You mentioned both. Cookies help us deliver our Services. If you don't use Spell Combat, your off-hand is not free for the duration of whatever action you're using to cast. Requires level 27. However, Vital Strike is a terrible idea for a magus even more than usual. If you use Spell Combat, your off-hand is not free for the duration of that action (the entire full-round action). Vital Strike only works with the Attack Action, and even though Spell Combat allows you to make all your attacks, you're not using the actual Attack Action. Equip: Increases damage and healing done by magical spells and effects by up to 46. Dex Maguses just need to learn how all the rules interact now that Slashing Grace has been changed. You can't use it with Spell Combat or Spell Strike (unless you want to have to wait until your next turn to attack). This includes Minor Spell Turning, Minor Globe of Invulnerability, Spell Immunity, Globe of Invulnerability, Minor Spell Deflection, Spell Turning, Spell Shield, Spell Deflection, Spell Trap, Iron Skins, Magic Resistance, and Shield of the Archons. You still take the TWF penalties with your main hand attack because you're using TWF and it applies to the entire full-attack action. Spellstrike is just about using your weapon attack for hit and crit dices on your spell, instead of touch dice. Reading this thread, I'm so glad I decided to mostly handwave my party's magus getting Dex to damage. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. I re-read your post, and I have to ask: are you using Dervish Dance or Slashing Grace? Using Spell Combat does not count as the Attack Action, even if you only make one attack. Perfect Strike explicitly affects "base weapon damage dice". (Not administered by or affiliated with Paizo Publishing® in any way), Press J to jump to the feed. Comment by frmorrison Best caster dps legs in-game (better than Tier 5, of course after you use the socket slots). … As a side note to your mention of your archetype, I just want to mention that there's no reason you can't do both Kensai and Bladebound, those archtypes are compatible with each other. It still doesn't work. Spell combat is a full round action which it supersedes those individual actions, so you aren't really breaking the rules by taking multiple standard+ actions in a turn, you're taking one full round action. It only says: You can use Spell Combat freely with Dervish Dance. In Pathfinder, Penalties are numerical values that are subtracted from a check or statistical score. Spellstrike works just fine with all the Dex to Damage optional feats. can deliver a Touch spell through a Two Handed weapon, so...yeah. Once that action is over, your hand is no longer occupied. i would like to hear your opinions about the game, feel also free to pm me if you'd like. Vital Strike is a Feat in Pathfinder: Kingmaker. 8. If I'm understanding correctly, you … You've got a dagger in your main hand, and you've got a dagger in your off-hand. You can, however, benefit from any abilities that modify your attack and damage roll with the weapon attack. Dancing Dervish only cares about using another weapon, not your other hand. Spell Combat allows you to do two standard actions, or a full round action and a standard actions in the same turn. Since the Spell Combat action is over, they can take a free action to grasp the weapon with two hands before making that last free attack. Vital Strike Power Attack Calculator. Spring Attack is a special kind of full-round action that includes the ability to make one melee attack, not one attack action. Your theory works, but damn you are gonna run outta feats. You can wield your scimitar in two hands and still benefit from the Dex to Damage. So far I've come to the conclusion, that yes it's viable, but it needs some tweaking. EDIT: Side note, I feel like Flurry Of Blows, which says in an FAQ that you can make all your attacks with just the Monk weapon you're holding, should work fine, as long as you're making all those attacks with just your one handed Monk weapon with your off hand free. Phone App ftw! Charging uses similar language and can also not be used in … Vital Strike can only be used as part of an attack action, which is a specific kind of standard action. We've all done it. To the point where the Kensai Bladebound Dervish Dance Maximised Empowered Shocking Grasp build is... annoyingly common. ... SpellStrike Free and the premium version is here: SpellStike Premium #1 Klasher, Feb 12, 2013. You can't Two-Weapon Fight (which all those abilities emulate) with those feats, which is also why Spell Combat doesn't work. When you use Spellstrike, you are delivering the spell through your weapon, not casting it with the weapon. If you want to play this this way, fine. Can a magus use spell combat with cantrips? However, Dancing Dervish only cares about using another weapon, not your other hand. Sword Saint is an Archetype of the Magus class in Pathfinder: Kingmaker. Reach Spellstrike (Su) Prerequisite(s) : Magus 9, ranged spellstrike Benefit(s) : The magus can deliver spells with a range of touch with ranged spellstrike up to … Each run takes 2-3 minutes (since you only need to kill the first boss), so you will hit instance cap very fast. You just can't get iteratives without the use of Spell Combat, and those you don't get Dex to Damage with because of the new feat wording. Feats can give your character various bonus or allow them to perform all sorts of actions. DEX to Damage, yay! This includes the penalty of your off hand not being free. 1.1 Effects on the target; 1.2 Notes; 2 External. You can cast the spell (say, Shocking Grasp), and then move up to the enemy, and deliver the spell via Spellstrike, while also adding your Dex to Damage. It has a chance of inflicting one of 6 status effects. Likewise with Spell Combat. At my table, I'd allow it because it's not an optimal strategy to use this (because you need to use an attack action, excluding the Magus' Spell Combat ability), even though there's a contradiction in the wording, that in my understanding, makes them not work together. Also, while it's classified as weapon damage, it's not base weapon damage, like the results of Enlarge Person would give. Roll the weapon’s damage dice for the attack twice and add the results together before adding bonuses from Strength, weapon abilities (such as flaming), precision-based damage, and other damage bonuses. I'm using dervish dance, I just wanted to know. It's not referring to the normal English language definition of penalty meaning downside, restriction, or disadvantage. Unspectacular after Ovinrbaane, but its nice having up to 4 more AB. Oh, that makes sense, I just can't get that plus my normal attack with it then. Flurry of Blows is explicitly called out in the rules for Slashing Grace. Magus are supposed to MAD like Damage Paladins Paladins. Improves spell hit rating by 22. Pretty sure Spellstrike allows you to deliver a touch spell through a charged free melee attack. Slashing Grace and Fencing Grace turns off the moment you use your other hand. You will most likely be using a weapon with 1d6 as the base damage at most so the feat will not really help your damage. Otherwise, spell combat is just too useful. Spellstrike Pants (2) Set: Gives a chance when your harmful spells land to increase the damage of your spells and effects by 92 for 10sec. Therefore, spellstrike alone does not interfere with Slashing Grace. (Unless you have Agile on your weapon.). 2.1 Bestowed from; Effect. EDIT: If you DON'T use the Spell Combat Full Round Action, then your FREE MELEE ATTACK to deliver the spell through your weapon DOES get DEX to Damage, as that is a SEPARATE action from the casting of Shocking Grasp. TL;DR: Delivering a Touch spell is a separate action (it's a Free Action) from casting a Touch spell, therefore works with Slashing Grace; just not with Spell Combat, which is a Full Round Action that occupies your Off Hand. This includes the penalty of your off hand not being free. Since vital strike does not jive with spellstrike that can't be used to help sure things up a bit. Currently, you can cast a shocking grasp, then wait a turn, then charge and your shocking grasp can be discharged on your charge. Arguably, despite not being explicitly mentionned, Vital Strike damage is precision damage. It would not be possible to make a vital strike as part of spell combat or spellstrike as all of the actions are at least a standard action. Str Maguses have been taking advantage of the separation of Spell Combat and Spellstrike to use Katanas and Bastard Swords and get 1.5x Str damage on rounds when they're not full attacking since the get go. I mean, as far as I've heard, I'm far from the only one to use Dervish Dance and Spell Combat/Spellstrike in the same term. You don't have to have a somatic component, but your hand is occupied regardless. If you cast the spell as a standard action, the hand is occupied for that standard action. You can't use it with Spell Combat or Spell Strike (unless you want to have to wait until your next turn to attack). -2 critical strike rating +13 spell damage (!!) This means you cannot, for example, use Vital Strike with Spell Combat. It is not limited to spells of level 1 or higher. Improved Critical feat, keen enhancement or similar for higher crit range. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Mine wasn't a Kensai though, so don't throw too much hate my way, I liked the Black Blade flavor so much more. No. Does vital strike get maximized with perfect strike? Power Attack You can choose to take a -1 penalty on all melee attack rolls and combat maneuver checks to gain a +2 bonus on all melee damage rolls. The texts are too open to interpretation. (You could do the same thing but instead of using two hands, use Slashing Grace instead) I recommend not doing this, even though it's legal, because it's likely not intended and even if allowed it's far more likely to irritate your GM or fellow players. Has a set bonus at 2 pieces. So later in that same turn if you make an attack as a free action, that off-hand is not still occupied. You start by throwing your off-hand dagger at an enemy. If you're using Dervish Dance, none of this discussion matters. Spellstrike on the same turn that you cast Shocking Grasp: IF you use Spell Combat to deliver the free attack AND your normal attack, no DEX to Damage. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. Therefore, spellstrike alone does not interfere with Slashing Grace. 1 Description 2 Base Features 2.1 Chosen Weapon 2.2 Spellstrike 2.3 Perfect Strike 2.4 Critical Perfection 2.5 Lethal Focus 2.6 Weapon Mastery 2.7 Lightning Draw 2.8 Canny Defense 2.9 Superior Reflexes 2.10 Perfect Reflexes 2.11 Cantrips 2.12 Detect Magic 2.13 Spell Combat 2.14 Spellstrike 2.15 Magus Arcana … OP: There's a really nice build with STR Sword Saint, it centers on Vital Strike and Greater VS, with enlarge/legendary. Spellstrike is perfectly fine to use with Slashing/Fencing Grace and Dancing Dervish. making an attack action or making a full attack action. Spellstrike is the act of delivering a spell with a range of touch through your weapon. Use this prestige class: https://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/prestige-classes/other-paizo/e-h/heritor-knight/. But if you cast Shocking Grasp...through your weapon...it would seem that you are not occupying your other hand. Nope, Spell Combat is the entire action, so your hand is effectively occupied for the entire action. This has nothing do do with the act of casting a spell aside from the requirement that the spell delivered must be a Magus spell that you cast. It even seems to be common, to the point of being annoying to many. If you mean the feat Dervish Dance, then no. (Not administered by or affiliated with Paizo Publishing® in any way), Press J to jump to the feed. I cannot recommend that mod enough! The quoted rule is specifically referring to the –2 penalty from using Spell Combat, and the optional additional penalties you can take to increase your Concentration check. SS can maximize the dmg roll and increase crit multiplier, making it a one hit one kill type build. 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